Asking for some ideas about...

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....purchasing,licensing,registration,etc.

Hello Friedrich and all,

I have SecWin and am thinking about buying Secwin Online Server. That will
take care of application activation/registration. It can handle how long a
particluar app can be used, etc. I can use Setup Builder to secure
installs.

I'm curious about the options of how someone can purchase my apps. I want a
one stop web solution. A customer buys an app. Decides on, say, the level
(enterprise, professional, etc), how long they will recieve upates, and so
on.

What are my options in that regard? I know how to setup serial numbers and
such in SB. But I do not know how to integrate everything.

Your ideas are appreciated!

Don

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Hi Don,

> I have SecWin and am thinking about buying Secwin Online Server. That
> will take care of application activation/registration. It can handle
> how long a particluar app can be used, etc. I can use Setup Builder
> to secure installs.
>
> I'm curious about the options of how someone can purchase my apps. I want
> a one stop web solution. A customer buys an app. Decides on, say, the
> level (enterprise, professional, etc), how long they will recieve upates,
> and so on.
>
> What are my options in that regard? I know how to setup serial numbers
> and such in SB. But I do not know how to integrate everything.
>
> Your ideas are appreciated!

I don't have any experiences with SecWin. But here is what we do:

Customer buys SetupBuilder. The server immediately sends out a serial
number for his edition (Single-User or Team License, Developer or
Professional) from a pre-generated serial number list. The server also
sends a temporary subscription key which is valid for this specific build.
All this is done automatically.

After that our Sales sends a Subscription Notification with the "permanent"
subscription key (60-days or 1-year).

We are using the setupPROTECT SDK to handle all this.

BTW, this is an interesting reading:

http://www.lindersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2895

Friedrich

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Hello Fredrich,

What is the setupPROTECT SDK please ?

JP

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Hi JP,

>
> What is the setupPROTECT SDK please ?
>

I am sure you are using it <g> (if my memory does not fail me).

http://www.lindersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19024

Friedrich

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yes your memory is excellent - I thought as the name did not sound
familiar that you were talking of the "other" one - the one we all are
waiting for from - what is his name ..... starts with C (for cook or
cake or camera while cooking ;) ) hehehe hello hello Charles <g>

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Merci
Cordialement - Best regards
"funny fellow" JP (Robert Zaunere 14th Oct. 2010)
__________________________________________________ _____

For those who do not understand ... : "Qui bene amat bene castigat."
__________________________________________________ _____

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> yes your memory is excellent - I thought as the name did not sound
> familiar that you were talking of the "other" one - the one we all are
> waiting for from - what is his name ..... starts with C (for cook or cake
> or camera while cooking ;) ) hehehe hello hello Charles <g>

Hahahaha ;-)

Friedrich

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> yes your memory is excellent - I thought as the name did not sound
> familiar that you were talking of the "other" one - the one we all are
> waiting for from - what is his name ..... starts with C (for cook or
> cake or camera while cooking ;) ) hehehe hello hello Charles <g>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzP8PCv77Es

Remind me to take you off the "send homemade bread to a friend" list<g>.

Then you'll be stuck eating baguettes from the corner market and Friedrich
will get all the good stuff<VBG>.

:-)

Charles



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Well a baguette is better than dreaming in front of your EXCELLENT
pictures no ? <vbg>

Don asked you a question BTW - about removing the human aspect of
serial

Oh sorry - again missed - it was for Fredrich :)

Any news on the dll Charles ?

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__________________________________________________ _____

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> Well a baguette is better than dreaming in front of your EXCELLENT
> pictures no ? <vbg>

Well they say that we eat first with our eyes<g>.

So I send the great pictures and then do the honorable thing and eat the
actual breads for my friends who are not here<vbg>


> Don asked you a question BTW - about removing the human aspect of
> serial
>
> Oh sorry - again missed - it was for Fredrich :)

:-)


> Any news on the dll Charles ?

We've still been getting stonewalled on the licensing issue (with regards
to re-distribution of a DLL).

So we may have to rethink our inclusion of that part of the technology and
then just proceed without it.

Charles


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this reminds me it is time for a second cofee here <g> without anything
- NO croissants ....

If you need some help (not to write anything but bulldozer work) for
your wall ....

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Thanks Friedrich. I'll look into it.

Donald Ridley

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Hey Friedrich,

Follow up question.

So someone in your sales department has to physically verify that a payment
was made and then send out the subscription key, etc?

I was wondering if I could take the human aspect out of the equation. I
thought that maybe there was a way to verify a payment was made and then
automatically send out a subscription key.

Thanks,
Don

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Don,

> Follow up question.
>
> So someone in your sales department has to physically verify that a
> payment was made and then send out the subscription key, etc?

In our case, "Yes" and "No" <g>. We have an extra manual step involved to
increase protection from fraudulent transactions.

Customer buys SetupBuilder. The server immediately sends out a serial
number for his edition (Single-User or Team License, Developer or
Professional Edition) from a pre-generated serial number list and a
temporary pre-generated subscription key which is valid for this specific
build only (but works for *ALL* serial numbers of this specific serial
number list). The eSellerate system does fraudulent transaction checking,
collects the money and sends the keys (automatically). In other words, the
customer can install and use the software immediately.

Then we check again (manual step) the provided name and address and send a
"Subscription Notification" with the permanent 60-day or 1-year subscription
key. This key only works for this specific serial number.

> I was wondering if I could take the human aspect out of the equation. I
> thought that maybe there was a way to verify a payment was made and then
> automatically send out a subscription key.

With the SetupBuilder sPSDK (free add-on), you can completely automate the
serial number and subscription key generation. In most cases, the eCommerce
provider handles the payment verification.

Friedrich

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SetupBuilder is Windows 7 installation -- "point. click. ship"

-- Official Comodo Code Signing and SSL Certificate Partner

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Hello Don,

I used to .... use secwin SOS server and SB together as you maybe
remember

I stopped using SOS (and secwin) as it was slowing down my app at open
time (others also found this to be easily seen) plus over 50% of my
users reported having problems with activation codes expiring etc

It must have been my settings or the combination of both but I prefered
to replace secwin with my own security level code

I combine both together quite easily as the SB SDK allows your app to
generate serials or MP's so easily in a few lines that adding them to
ANY other protection code is done in minutes

Let me know privately if you need more detailed infos

JP

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Merci
Cordialement - Best regards
"funny fellow" JP (Robert Zaunere 14th Oct. 2010)
__________________________________________________ _____

For those who do not understand ... : "Qui bene amat bene castigat."
__________________________________________________ _____

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Transfer your Data
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> this reminds me it is time for a second cofee here <g> without anything
> - NO croissants ....

LOL - well check your inbox, I just sent you the latest to make you even
hungrier<g>


> If you need some help (not to write anything but bulldozer work) for
> your wall ....

Thanks.

From what my inside folks are telling me it is a matter of getting the nod
from the right folks at Digital River corporate. The SR folks are fine
with it under the guidelines we'd setup before.

Time will tell...

:-)

Charles


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www.ezchangelog.com - "Free ChangeLog software to manage your projects!"
www.setupcast.com - "A revolutionary new publishing system for software
developers - enhanced for SetupBuilder users!"
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www.clarionproseries.com - "Serious tools for Clarion Developers"
www.ezround.com - "Round Corner HTML tables with matching Banners, Buttons
and Forms!"
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www.fotokiss.com - "World's Best Auction Photo Editor"
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Awesome! Thanks for the clarification Friedrich!

Donald Ridley

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>
> Awesome! Thanks for the clarification Friedrich!
>

You are very welcome :)

Friedrich