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C7 - Accessory Directory?
C7 is impressive! A few bugs to work out, but with wide distribution now, I
expect they will be taken care of very quickly!
I've started rebuilding my installs to include Clarion 7, and want to make
sure I've got this right. Looking at the Redirection file and file
structure for Clarion 7, it looks like we should install in the C:\Program
Files\SoftVelocity\Clarion7\accessory directory. Using this directory
instead of creating a 3rdParty folder would not require an edit to the
developers redirection file.
Is this what other developers are doing?
If so, how do I amend the SetupBuilder Clarion7 default selection directory
to include "Accessory"?
Thanks for any help.
Bill Roe
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Re: C7 - Accessory Directory?
NO Bill
You have to insdtall to %ROOT%/etc etc .... and certainely NOT a fixed
c:\wahtever
yes some bright boys came out with changing 3rdparty to accessory and
another bright boy came up with "win" (and I am sure"net" for others)
Those ruined all the 3rdParty selelrs existing installers but who cares
after all .....
Bill, check the sb NG as Friedrich was again kind enough to come up with a
ready made demo on how to install c6 or c7 and he has the solution to your
pb .....
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> Those ruined all the 3rdParty selelrs existing installers but who cares
> after all .....
It was a widely, and lengthily, discussed agreement between a large
number of 3rd party developers and was adopted by SV so 3rd party was
not left with the job of creating the folder hierarchy. It was a
change we requested before the product was shipped and has been in
place since well before the AppGen.
\win is in place to discern between win32 and dotNet components.
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Lee,
This Russ had told me already :)
But when you all decided to have "accessory" instead of "3rdparty" did you
not think about your installers and consequences for dual installs ?
Wether SV creates or not accessory or 3rdParty is the same
Whether it exists or not is the same because Setup Builder vreates the dirs
if they do not exist
And how come all this "consortium" of thinking heads (just a bit sarcastic
and not pejorative of course with all due respect) did not oppose to having
another subdir added "win" which again creates havvock in installers ?
If SV wants to place "net" then good enough as template for NET will NEVER
EVER be sold for clarion 6 so no problems as you all would need to CREATE
new installers
Now we are sitting with _sorry but I call this a stupid situation created
without thinking twice_ where ALL installers have to be redone entirely
Sorry if my "big mouth" again disturbs some but if I am wrong please do show
me why and how
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
> But when you all decided to have "accessory" instead of "3rdparty" did you
> not think about your installers and consequences for dual installs ?
No need for dual installs:) It is actually very simple to take care of:)
Download the demo that Friedrich posted recently and use that. I converted
3 C6 installs yesterday to be both C6 and C7. I had started out with dual
installs since it wasn't that much of a deal for me, but when I checked out
the "Clarion Template Deployment.sb6" demo from Friedrich that he posted on
the sb newsgroup, I realized how simple this could be:)
See:
Newsgroups: softvelocity.clarion.addons.setupbuilder
Subject: SetupBuilder 6.9 Build 2454 #PRE-RELEASE#
Date: 23 Dec 2008 10:50:31 -0500
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Arnor,
NOW that Friedrich took the trouble to get us ALL out of this mess it is
easy
Thank you
Does not answer my question : who invented that idea-concept and why was it
adopted without thinking of ALL installers having to be redone ?
But forget it ... I am sure communication this time will work as well as
when we ask SV .....
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JP,
I know you are wanting to target someone, so target MS. Won't do you any
good, but it should make you feel better <g>.
> Does not answer my question : who invented that idea-concept and why was
> it adopted without thinking of ALL installers having to be redone ?
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Russel,
I do not give a xxx about "targeting" someone
When I find something stupid i say it and if you do not like it then simply
say so instead of always trying to find something wrong with my post
If you find the same thing intelligent then please give us your reasons and
you may get me to change my mind if your reasons are good ones
Asking me to ask MS why SV decided to spoil all the installers by not only
accepting "your" idea of changing 3rdParty to accessory but also to add
"win" just to be able to also have "net" is again stupid because this only
depends on you guys and SV ..... and it proves once again no one thought
twice about all the community but only of their small world.
If you do not want to answer then simply say so instead of always trying to
send the ball back on me : I am not (and you should know it since the time
we play this ridiculous game) a kid you can toss around , so grow up change
attitude or forget my posts and do not bother answering them
Maybe the idea I have of a community is not what it is and maybe I do give
too much time and efforts and help when I should not - because the type of
community you are taking us into is not a good one
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JP,
First of all: chill.
Two: You need to listen to what people are telling you, they are giving you
very good information. That information is filling in some knowledge you
don't have (always a good thing) and giving you data so you can change
something for the better.
Three: No one that I can tell replying to your posts put you down or
belittle you. Some of your posts however come across in an accusatory tone,
so you may want to double check things before hitting the "Send" button.
These posts from what I see almost always miss the correct target. Your
calling 3rd party vendors "stupid" because you don't agree with a decided
standard is a good example of what I'm talking about.
Four: You need to be willing to change some things. You may not like or
want to, but you need to ask yourself if an improvement results or something
you need to learn so you don't put yourself in a position to make changes
later. Its understood you want to produce the best code you can (we all
do).
Five: No one has the monopoly on good ideas. Be willing to see other's
viewpoints.
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I am willing to see others good ideas .....please please please
Russel...what is the reason who got "some" to come up with what I call
'stupid' (please note I did not call the people stupid but only the idea so
reading before using send is a two way road it seems) idea of changing all
I'm only asking to learn ..... and am only receiving general no-answers
So I am sure it is way better for all not to carry on as you do not seem to
understand my poor english
let it be Russ .....
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Re: C7 - Accessory Directory?
No problem, I use %Root%. I was just sighting an example to show the
"accessory" directory.
Thanks,
Bill Roe
www.valutilities.com
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Bill,
Everything you install should go under the accessory folder (JP's answer is
not correct). See attached for how I'm doing List & Label installs. You add
the two major Clarion versions in the "Features" tree node. Then for the
"Setup Types" underneath it, just check which one is appropriate. For
example, check Clarion7 for the Clarion 7 feature.
Then its a simple matter of processing the script (clip3.gif attached).
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Thanks Russ. I'll give it a go.
Bill Roe
www.valutilities.com
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Re: C7 - Accessory Directory?
Russ,
Sorry again (getting tired of excusing myself these days) but what is wrong
in my answer please ?
i'm keen on learning....like for the IDE
using %ROOT% and not hard coded c:\etc ... ?
please note that I did not say to install under ROOT but NOT to hardcode
......
advising him to check the SB NG where freidrcih was kind enough to come out
witrh a full demo for dual installs because of this (stupid) new way on
registering templates ?
.......
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
> i'm keen on learning....like for the IDE
The only thing that _I_ do not put in %root%\accessory is the examples,
which go into CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS\Softveolocity\Clarion
7\Icetips\ProductName and .hlp and .dll files which go into
CSIDL_PROGRAMFILES_COMMON\Icetips Creative\Clarion\Bin and then I add that
folder to the PATH.
The reason for the examples is Vista. I don't want to generate stuff into
Program Files folders, so I place the examples in the common docs folder.
The reason for the common is that the .hlp and .dll must be in a folder that
is in the PATH environment var. Since there was no consensus about where to
place them and I'm already using the common in other products I decided to
place them there.
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Which is a good thing :)
Your installers allow users to place them where they want pls ?
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Re: C7 - Accessory Directory?
Hi Russ,
> Everything you install should go under the accessory folder (JP's answer is
Not quite. C7 examples should not go into the accessory folder since under
vista you would not be able to generate. I place them in
COMMON_DOCUMENTS\Softvelocity\Clarion 7\Icetips\Productname. I believe that
was agreed upon on the beta group but yesterday when I was trying to find it
I couldn't. Until someone suggests better, that's where my examples go<g>
Everything else that I install goes into accessory except for .hlp and .dll
which go into CSIDL_PROGRAMFILES_COMMON\Icetips Creative\Clarion\Bin which
also is added to the PATH
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Re: C7 - Accessory Directory?
I didn't include data files in that answer. But that seems as good as place
as any (especially under Vista). I forget the registry key name for that,
but once I get some examples ready for List & Label, I'll probably follow
your example. ;-)
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Arnor,
Whatever:\Clarion 7
Use root and ALL your troubles are gone
Anyway honestly do you many devs installing a dev tool in program files ?
Where did you install (if you have it ) for example SQL Server or Visual
Studio etc ?
I (and many I know) always place all those "important" apps under their own
root or better in another partition under their root eyc .....makes life so
much easier
But till then your way is easiest ....
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
> Anyway honestly do you many devs installing a dev tool in program files ?
>
> Where did you install (if you have it ) for example SQL Server or Visual
> Studio etc ?
Well, I have all this under the recommended "Program Files" folder ;-) And
I really like the new security concept in Vista (which protects me and my
customers). I don't install software that does not go into "Program Files".
Installing to a "non-protected" folder (e.g. c:\clarion 7) under
Vista/2008/Win7 makes it too easy for malicious objects (like viruses and
spyware) to be installed - often without the user knowing. And due to the
devious nature of Trojans and Spyware (intentionally written malicious
software) - it often happens in a very hidden way - making it hard to combat
the attackers intrusion in the first place. I don't want to see viruses
embed dangerous code into my Clarion 7 runtimes or Visual Studio, etc.
libraries ;-)
Friedrich
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Hi Friedrich,
You may be right ..... but this means we all discovered trojans etc since
Vista came out ?
Meaning all the softs out there protecting against them are weaker then
Microsoft's inbuilt protection ?
May I doubt this point and prefer to rely on a reputable companies (and I am
not talking of norton and other "general public" ones) for those rather then
on Microsoft's "protection" (ie : close a directory and say out loud the OS
is protected - a bit childish (let's say it's also called marketing) , no ?)
So I will "stupidly" carry on installing all my apps in a seperate partition
and clarion being my favorite tool will always carry on having it's own
partition and my sources etc being all under also their own partition so as
to be able to use acronis trueimage and have images done four times a day as
I do not want to lose more than a couple of hours work in case.....
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
> You may be right ..... but this means we all discovered trojans etc since
> Vista came out ?
Sorry, but that's not the point ;-)
> Meaning all the softs out there protecting against them are weaker then
> Microsoft's inbuilt protection ?
In this case, Yes!
> May I doubt this point and prefer to rely on a reputable companies (and
> I am not talking of norton and other "general public" ones) for those
> rather then on Microsoft's "protection" (ie : close a directory and say
> out loud the OS is protected - a bit childish (let's say it's also
> called marketing) , no ?)
No, it's not marketing (IMO)! If you do what Microsoft recommend, then you
are already very well protected under Vista and 2008. And installing to
C:\Clarion7 is NOT recommended. Why? Because any application that is
running un-elevated can modify your runtimes and libraries that are used to
develop your software. And it's nearly impossible to detect it. The
runtime is infected and you send your application to thousands of customers
worldwide.
Can it also happen with UAC enabled and your development system located in
"Program Files"? Yes, absolutely. But in this case, you gave permission to
a suspect program that does it. Or one of your trusted vendors was not so
trustworthy as could be hoped.
Fact is, installing to "un-protected" folders open doors to friends and
foes.
> So I will "stupidly" carry on installing all my apps in a seperate
> partition and clarion being my favorite tool will always carry on having
> it's own partition and my sources etc being all under also their own
> partition so as to be able to use acronis trueimage and have images done
> four times a day as I do not want to lose more than a couple of hours
> work in case.....
In the end, it's your decision where to install it :) But it is really not
"wise" to do so. I think we all here in the newsgroup will switch to
Windows 7 to develop (and not only to test!) our software when Windows 7
goes Gold. Official beta testing for Win7 will begin sometime around
January 7th, 2009 as Steve Ballmer is making a Pre-CES keynote. We are part
of the official internal Windows 7 beta team and I can assure you that
Windows 7 will be (without any doubt) the best Windows OS ever. Fast,
secure, ***y. But of course, we'll still have UAC in Win7 to protect us.
It's not there to annoy us, it's there to protect us, our work and our
customers.
My $.02
Friedrich
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not too "difficult" to type "wise" <vbg> ?
student JP, copy hundred times : "I am a bad boy and must not answer back to
my teachers!" .......
let us put things differently then : for the past 3 years (stopped a month
back now after you sent in your "formating team" <bg>) I have used 2003 ent
srv as a dev machine with NO protection from BigBrother in the OS and all
was fine (used some outside tools of course)
why, Monsieur ?
could I be wrong when I think that if a newer OS is only protected when
using their "protected" dirs then maybe the complete OS is weaker then older
ones ?
asked a stupid old idiot .....
you said it is not "marketing dialet" but it smells like a lot like that to
me (but again I am a poor and lonely old badboy)
well anyway ... I will carry on and I will take the risk of infecting the
entire world with hacked DMC versions because if we all start thinking
Microsoft way then the next step , after codesigning apps we will also
require to "see" for ourselves the hd partition and layout of Norton and
Adobe etc.... before accepting to install their apps on our machines
let's all team up and create this new "security" level and impose it on the
world - let's make a fortune on others gullibility .... others do it , why
not us afterall ?
<bg>
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
>
> not too "difficult" to type "wise" <vbg> ?
>
<VBG> Thanks to my therapy sessions, I can even type "InstallShield" now
<g>
> student JP, copy hundred times : "I am a bad boy and must not answer back
> to my teachers!" .......
>
> let us put things differently then : for the past 3 years (stopped a month
> back now after you sent in your "formating team" <bg>) I have used 2003
> ent srv as a dev machine with NO protection from BigBrother in the OS and
> all was fine (used some outside tools of course)
>
> why, Monsieur ?
But it was already there! The protected "Program Files" folder is part of
Windows for 10+ years now!!! Nothing new here in Vista, 2008 or Windows 7
;-)
> could I be wrong when I think that if a newer OS is only protected when
> using their "protected" dirs then maybe the complete OS is weaker then
> older ones ?
> asked a stupid old idiot .....
With all due respect, but you are wrong. The resource "protection" is there
for 10+ years now. "Limited Users" do not have write access to "Program
Files" and "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE" and the Windows folder, etc. for 10+ years
now!!!!! But quite a few developers never cared. That's why most of them
have all the problems and trouble in Vista now. They never followed the
rules nor did they follow the Microsoft guidelines.
> you said it is not "marketing dialet" but it smells like a lot like that
> to me (but again I am a poor and lonely old badboy)
>
> well anyway ... I will carry on and I will take the risk of infecting the
> entire world with hacked DMC versions because if we all start thinking
> Microsoft way then the next step , after codesigning apps we will also
> require to "see" for ourselves the hd partition and layout of Norton and
> Adobe etc.... before accepting to install their apps on our machines
>
> let's all team up and create this new "security" level and impose it on
> the world - let's make a fortune on others gullibility .... others do it ,
> why not us afterall ?
The best thing Microsoft could do is to NOT allow to install any application
outside of "Program Files". But for marketing (and compatibility) reasons,
this will not happen in Win7 (IMO). But it really would be "wise" <g>.
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If it was there since 10 years then how come I (and all others too) survived
?
Here , ok I was always single user on machine so always ran and still do as
admin (I know ....)
We could use HKLM and never had pbs .....
The best thing Microsoft could do is to forbid having several partitions
also and many more :)
The one thing I understand from these posts is that you are for and I am
against ..... :)
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
> If it was there since 10 years then how come I (and all others too)
> survived ?
> Here , ok I was always single user on machine so always ran and still
> do as admin (I know ....)
Yes! And that, in fact, *is* the problem ;-) That's why Microsoft had to
introduce UAC ;-)
But I think your above statement is not correct. It is *YOU* and *NOT* "all
others too" ;-) See below.
In fact, a Limited User account is very similar to the resource protection
in Vista. But Vista is "better" because of the "over-the-shoulder" (OTS)
credentialing feature, etc. A Limited User under XP can also not write to
protected resources. If you write to the Windows folder, or to the Program
Files folder, or if you write to the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINES registry key, the
application needs Admin privileges. This "resource protection" goes back to
NT4 and is fully integrated in Windows 2000, Windows 2003, Windows XP,
Vista, Windows Server 2008 and Windows 7!
But in the past, most XP users lived in Admin mode (against all Microsoft
recommendations) and the developer designed the application in such a way
that Admin privileges are required (against all Microsoft recommendations).
So write access was not really a problem. Until now!!!!! I know quite a
few developers who have a complete support nightmare now because their
application cannot run correctly in a "locked down" environment. And I am
sure, this is only the beginning! Why? Because Windows 7 will also have
the UAC (User Access Control) feature. It's a *permanent* change to the
Windows operating system!
BTW, I also live in Admin mode under XP! But not under Vista/2008/Win7.
>
> We could use HKLM and never had pbs .....
>
Yes, as administrator. Not as Limited User (who is protected). In the
corporate world, most users live in a locked-down environment. They do not
have admin rights and so they cannot use software that only works with admin
permissions.
In the past, most developers had the following in their license agreement:
"You need administrator rights in order to install and use our software"
This is a killer now and quite a few companies already had to close their
doors because of it.
> The best thing Microsoft could do is to forbid having several partitions
> also and many more :)
No :)
>
> The one thing I understand from these posts is that you are for and I am
> against ..... :)
Yes :)
Friedrich
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one sec Friedrich : if I understand you well, DMC installed requiring admin
rights when runned and not only when installing, cannot run on a user
account in say Vista ?
I need admin rights because some very intelligent person in M$land decided
that all ODBC drivers were NOT accessible under user account etc etc ... and
DMC needs to accesss those drivers
Would we be in front of a snake biting it's tail ?
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Jean-Pierre,
> one sec Friedrich : if I understand you well, DMC installed requiring
> admin rights when runned and not only when installing, cannot run on a
> user account in say Vista ?
Well, here you have the advantage of Vista. Because of the
"over-the-shoulder" (OTS) credentialing feature, a "Standard User" under
Vista can run your application that requests administrator execution level
privileges. Under XP (Limited User), applications that need Admin rights
simply fail.
Of course, your application prompts for elevation and the Admin password
when running on a "Standard User" account under Vista.
*BUT* (see below)
> I need admin rights because some very intelligent person in M$land decided
> that all ODBC drivers were NOT accessible under user account etc etc ...
> and DMC needs to accesss those drivers
>
> Would we be in front of a snake biting it's tail ?
Only the installer should request administrator execution level. Your
application should *never ever* request such privileges.
You are the ODBC expert, but from what I have read in the past, ODBC should
also work fine from a "Standard User" account. I know that one large
SetupBuilder customer is successfully using the Pervasive PSQL ODBC driver
from Standard User accounts under Vista. Only if your application modifies
the DSN you need another strategy.
Friedrich
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Re: C7 - Accessory Directory?
I am no expert at all :)
Just tested under various configs and I found out during tests that ODBC
drivers are not visible to a user and only to admins
So I have to run elevated
I can also get DMC to see all the ODBC drivers I want .....if DMC installs
them as user x or y
But my goal in life is not really to install ODBC drivers on Vista machine
so I have to find another way ..... <g>
Now you tell me under XP it will fail ?
Have to try this also it seems ...... was life too easy ?
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If you do that, I will ensure that I never run any installs built by you.
> Use root and ALL your troubles are gone
>
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Re: C7 - Accessory Directory?
Russ,
Was it agreed on as Docs or Documents - I have an install from CapeSoft
that shows Documents under Accessory.
David
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Hi David,
> Was it agreed on as Docs or Documents - I have an install from CapeSoft
> that shows Documents under Accessory.
I'm using "accessory\documents"
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Re: C7 - Accessory Directory?
It was neither, it should go under a Vista-safe folder, I'm thinking what SV
and Lindersoft do.
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Hi Russ,
> It was neither, it should go under a Vista-safe folder, I'm thinking what SV
> and Lindersoft do.
....
>> Was it agreed on as Docs or Documents - I have an install from CapeSoft
>> that shows Documents under Accessory.
Docs don't need to be in a vista safe folder since they are not going to be
saved there by the user. I have tucked mine into <Clarion
7>\accessory\documents\icetips\<product name>
Demos go into:
CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS\Softvelocity\Clarion 7\Accessory\Icetips\<product
name>
I don't know if there ever was a consensus about it, but it works in both
Vista and XP with C7. It does not work in C6 because of possible spaces in
the path, the linker chokes on it.
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> Hi Russ,
>
> On 28 Dec 2008 09:25:05 -0500, Russell B. Eggen wrote:
>
>> It was neither, it should go under a Vista-safe folder, I'm thinking what SV
>> and Lindersoft do.
> ....
>>> Was it agreed on as Docs or Documents - I have an install from CapeSoft
>>> that shows Documents under Accessory.
>
> Docs don't need to be in a vista safe folder since they are not going to be
> saved there by the user. I have tucked mine into <Clarion
> 7>\accessory\documents\icetips\<product name>
>
> Demos go into:
>
> CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS\Softvelocity\Clarion 7\Accessory\Icetips\<product
> name>
Arnór (and others),
Hopefully, ALL 3rd party companies will be consistent in both the Public
documents area and of course, Program Files area -
so far, I know of CapeSoft and Icetips using the same format in the Public
documents area - specifically using the Clarion<sp>7 folder, however, in
the Program Files area - Clarion7 folder.
C:\Users\Public\Documents\SoftVelocity\Clarion 7\Accessory\
C:\Program Files\SoftVelocity\Clarion7\accessory\
C:\Users\Public\Documents\SoftVelocity\Clarion 7\Accessory\Capesoft\
David
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Hi David,
> documents area - specifically using the Clarion<sp>7 folder, however, in
> the Program Files area - Clarion7 folder.
> C:\Program Files\SoftVelocity\Clarion7\accessory\
This is not correct. By default the Clarion 7 installs goes to
CSIDL_PROGRAMFILES\SoftVelocity\Clarion 7
Note the space. However you can install it anywhere so it should not matter
if the root path is correctly determined by the installer.
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> Note the space. However you can install it anywhere so it should not matter
> if the root path is correctly determined by the installer.
I can already see the need for a new 3rd party "Where's my Clarion 7
Stuff?" tool.
It should be simple enough to base it on "Where's Waldo?"
Personally I'd like to see Windows 7 (or whatever version) enforce a strict
policy of what files go where and simply refuse to load or run any type of
file that is not where it should be...
Then the entire issue of what belongs where would be dead once and for all.
:-)
Charles
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Charles,
> Then the entire issue of what belongs where would be dead once and for all.
Nah! MS would paint themselves and everyone else into a corner that
could never be escaped!<g>
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>> Then the entire issue of what belongs where would be dead once and for all.
>
> Nah! MS would paint themselves and everyone else into a corner that
> could never be escaped!<g>
Perhaps.
But I find it to be lovely ironic that all this only allowing program files
to execute from the program files folder (which is where I am sure we ARE
heading) goes full circle back to what UNIX/Linux has been doing
(successfully) for years...
The Windows paradigm is proof positive that (like voting<g>), sometimes
allowing the general populace to run willy-nilly and do whatever they
please is not always the right thing to do<g>.
:-)
Charles
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Heil Hi...!<g>
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