Clarion 9 install on Windows 8.1

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Clarion 9 Developers Only!

There are still some developers who do not accept the offer to install the
"Microsoft Visual C++ 2005" and/or the "Microsoft Visual C++ 2008"
redistributables. SoftVelocity does not display the redistributable
requirement just for fun <g>. Even if you already have a VC++2005 and/or
VC++2008 library installed, your Clarion 9 system needs a specific version!

First of all, I have developed a small tool (C9_Manager.exe) to display the
status of your C9 VC++ redistributables.

http://www.lindersoft.com/projects/C9_Manager.exe

The attached screenshots show the installation procedure on a fresh and
clean Windows 8.1 RTM (x64) machine.

1. The .NET Framework 2.0 is not a core component of the Windows 8.1
operating system. The installer can download and activate it for you. Do
not try to use your own .NET Framework 2.0 redistributables.

2. The required VC++2005 libraries are not a core component of the Windows
8.1 operating system. The installer can install the Core PreRequisite for
you. Answer the "Would you like to install it now" with the "Yes" button.
The redistributable is embedded in the setup.exe.

3. The required VC++2008 libraries are not a core component of the Windows
8.1 operating system. The installer can install the Core PreRequisite for
you. Answer the "Would you like to install it now" with the "Yes" button.
The redistributable is embedded in the setup.exe.

After the PreRequisite setup, you'll see the "Welcome" screen.

Friedrich

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Friedrich,

What would be the impact of such specific VS redistributable? I mean,
there is the possibility of installing a specific VS redist package
breaking the current installed full VS, isn't it? Or am I totally wrong?

Can Windows isolate multiple VS redist packages?

This takes me back to when we all fought agains one system messing with
the installed VBRUN.DLL, and breaking an already installed program.
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Gustavo Pinsard - Brasil

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Hi Gustavo,

FWIW I have a 'typical' developer machine.

Several versions of VS Express going back to VS 2008, C#, VB.NET, C++
and now the full VS 2010 Professional.
When I check the VC++ redistributables I see 10 in all.

Clarion runs, all the versions of VS I have also run without error - no
clashes at all, so whatever method is being used (SxS or other) it
obviously works :-)

Graham

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Gustavo,

Yes, that is correct. Windows can isolate multiple VS redistribution
packages.

The newer VC++ redistributables support "side-by-side" installation in the
WinSxS folder. This method solves the good old "DLL Hell" problem from
previous Windows versions where newer apps overrode older Dlls which may
caused other apps to fail. This was a nightmare.

VC++ libraries are installed side-by-side and the application picks the
library version it needs. If the specific version is not there, the
application fails.

But sometimes, this method does not work as expected. For example, the
Windows SDK 7.1 does NOT install if you have a newer Visual C++ 2010 (x86)
version than build 10.0.30319 installed. You have to remove the redist,
then install SDK 7.1 and re-install 10.0.30319.

Friedrich

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Thanks for developing a small tool<g>

Good idea.

Jeff Slarve
www.jssoftware.com
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I'll search help files & Google for you.

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> Thanks for developing a small tool<g>
>
> Good idea.

:-)

Friedrich

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>First of all, I have developed a small tool (C9_Manager.exe) to display the
>status of your C9 VC++ redistributables.
>
>http://www.lindersoft.com/projects/C9_Manager.exe
>
your tools shows I don't have VC++2005 redistributable installed
( the status is: Failed! )

But ..... Even if I reinstall tha C9 gold, clicking on yes when
prompted about VC2005, still the damn VC++2005 won't get installed.
1 - your tools assesses I don't have it.
2 - every Clarion9 reinstallation keeps asking me to install VC++2005
redistributable, as if I don't have it already.

Despite all of this, I still run Clarion9 gold ( end every previous
version) quite happily, in my notebook running Windows 8.1 64bit.
Yes. : 8.1

It seems I do have VC++2005 installed , somehow ....
I don't remember how and when it has been installed.

Sandro Gasparetto

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Sandro,

> your tools shows I don't have VC++2005 redistributable installed
> ( the status is: Failed! )

If it reports "Failed" then you do *not* have the required VC++2005
libraries installed.

> But ..... Even if I reinstall tha C9 gold, clicking on yes when
> prompted about VC2005, still the damn VC++2005 won't get installed.

Then the Microsoft redistributable fails.

> 1 - your tools assesses I don't have it.
> 2 - every Clarion9 reinstallation keeps asking me to install VC++2005
> redistributable, as if I don't have it already.

See attached screenshot. It is only there if you have that registry key.
Do you have it? If yes, then my tool is incorrect.

> It seems I do have VC++2005 installed , somehow ....

I don't think that you have the correct VC2005 installed. IMO, Windows 8.1
internally "falls back" to another VC2005 version in your case.

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Friedrich Linder
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We have received some emails today stating that 'C9_Manager.exe' reports
"FAILED!" for Clarion 9.

It turned out that they all had "9.0.10371" installed. And this is the
problem (so "FAILED!" is correct) <g>. Build 9.0.10376 is the Gold release,
9.0.10371 is a Pre-Release :-)

Friedrich

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