Code-signing certs: June 1 deadline reminder

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On 21/04/2023 21:27, Charles Edmonds wrote:
> ne only has to look for "Dongle backup service". I know Clarion/WinDev
> developers who have had their USB "dongles" stored safely in a safe deposit
> box for years and have never looked at them after they were purchased.

You just need them for upgrades which is an annual affair.

Andre Labuschagne

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On 21/04/2023 5:32 pm, Andre Labuschagne wrote:
> On 21/04/2023 20:55, Arnor Baldvinsson wrote:
>> Those can be copied too.
>
> Indeed. There is no real security with any technology.
>
>
That's because people "misuse" the term security.
It doesn't (shouldn't?) mean absolute protection, merely the ability to
resist.
Only thing that is absolutely secure is something that is totally
useless ..... if such a thing can exist

Jock Springer

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Hi Jock,

On 4/22/2023 08:05 AM, Jock Springer wrote:
> It doesn't (shouldn't?) mean absolute protection, merely the ability
> to resist.
>
It has been established that resistance is futile!<g>

As I get older I've gotten more cynical about "safe" and "secure" Maybe
because I've seen so many things cracked in the almost (oh, God, hate to
admit it) 40 years I've been in this utter mess with call computers<g>

Best regards,

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Arnor Baldvinsson
Icetips Alta LLC

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Hi Arnor,

Is it true that new malware is deployed through driver
installation, and it will bypass code-signing? I wonder if even
an AV can catch it.


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John de la Torre
CA, USA

Arnor Baldvinsson Wrote in message:r
> Hi Jock,On 4/22/2023 08:05 AM, Jock Springer wrote:> It doesn't (shouldn't?) mean absolute protect

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Yep, it's all relative and like all relatives you can only trust them so
far.
Running up on 44 years for me but just under 40 trying to write code

Jock Springer

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On 22/04/2023 15:05, Jock Springer wrote:
> Only thing that is absolutely secure is something that is totally
> useless ..... if such a thing can exist

The only "secure" computer is one that is switched off and locked in a safe.

When people use the term "security" they mean they are reasonably safe.
They are not. Nowhere near.

Andre Labuschagne

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On 22/04/2023 19:03, Arnor Baldvinsson wrote:
> It has been established that resistance is futile!<g>
>
> As I get older I've gotten more cynical about "safe" and "secure" Maybe
> because I've seen so many things cracked in the almost (oh, God, hate to
> admit it) 40 years I've been in this utter mess with call computers<g>

+1

Exactly my experience and time line. Forty years chasing bugs and BS
and mostly not getting hacked but ready for it every minute of the day.

You can be certain of death, taxes and the failure of technology. This
realization comes with age.

What blows my mind is that programmers of all people think that there is
a way to secure technology. The only folk who do not think so are the
aged and those who work trying to develop better security systems every
day of their lives.

Andre Labuschagne

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Use abacus...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...e/Abacus_4.jpg

Kelvin Chua

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The uncle at a nearby provision shop is still using this abacus.

He told me he is very 'green' because he use abacus; no energy needed,
no carbon emission, not waste. He has been using it for the past fifty
over years. He said if it was a computer, he would have to replace it
dozen times....

Kelvin Chua

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MS is going to get us with their Windows store. Already on some
computers I have to turn off the S mode so they can download our screen
sharing software or our actual software. I'm probably losing money
because people think if it's not in the MS store, it's probably not
safe. I did a quick glance at putting our software in their store, and
it didn't look easy. I would imagine they get a % too.

But I still say if they burn the tons of small developers out their,
they'll burn themselves too. No us, no them.

Ray Rippey
VMT Software