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    Default End-of-Life Notice for SetupBuilder 4

    The following products have already been discontinued and are no longer
    sold. There are no bugfixes or other enhancements planned.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Product Name Version Remarks
    ------------ ------- -------

    SetupBuilder Standard 4.x Migration to SetupBuilder 5 Professional
    recommended

    SetupBuilder Web 4.x Migration to SetupBuilder 5 Developer
    recommended

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Friedrich Linder
    CEO, Lindersoft
    www.lindersoft.com
    1.954.252.3910

    "point. click. ship" - that's SetupBuilder 5

  2. #2

    Default Re: End-of-Life Notice for SetupBuilder 4

    Is there a way to migrate SB4 installs to SB5?

    Thanks,

    --
    Carlos Gutiérrez
    http://sca.com.mx

  3. #3

    Default Re: End-of-Life Notice for SetupBuilder 4

    Carlos,

    SB5 cannot open SB4 files. SB5 has a different philosophy regarding the
    project management (and feature set). SB5 is completely "script driven".
    SB4.x projects are limited because they are based on a sequential database
    driven processing model. Something like the following:

    1) Display GUI (Welcome -> Readme -> License -> etc.)
    2) Install Files
    3) Write Registry/INI Entries
    4) Perform Actions
    5) Run Programs

    In contrast to SB4, the new SB5 is completely script driven. Would you like
    to display the License Agreement before your Welcome dialog? No problem.
    Or read some values out of the Registry and based on this information
    display different sets of wizard dialogs. With SB5 you can do it. SB5
    supports IF..THEN..ELSE and LOOP control structures to provide looping and
    conditional execution of installation components.

    You can now use the *same* script to compile *different* versions of your
    installer (e.g. full or upgrade image). The SB5 preprocessor can
    conditionally include lines of code within an installer program. The
    directives that include code conditionally are defined in such a way that
    you can construct a chain of inclusion directives to include exactly the
    functions you want.

    Of course, you can still use your old SB4 installations (there is nothing
    wrong with that). Because SB5 gives you so much more power and flexibility,
    it's wise to "rethink" some distribution projects.

    If you create new projects, I would consider SB5. It supports Windows 95,
    98, Me, NT4, 2000, XP, 2003 and Vista.

    Does this help?

    Friedrich

    --
    Friedrich Linder
    CEO, Lindersoft
    www.lindersoft.com
    1.954.252.3910

    "point. click. ship" - that's SetupBuilder 5

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    Default Re: End-of-Life Notice for SetupBuilder 4

    I understand the advantages of SB5. The problem is when you have complex SB4
    setup you have been polishing over the years. I would be nice if SB5 could
    import file lists with attributes, shortcuts, folders, registry key, delete
    file actions, etc. from a SB4 project, even if the resulting SB5 project
    wasn't completely functional. Alot of the hard work would be saved. Even an
    external unsupported utility would be fine.

    Regards,

    --
    Carlos Gutiérrez
    http://sca.com.mx

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    Default Re: End-of-Life Notice for SetupBuilder 4

    Friedrich,

    What about Setupbuilder for Clarion - you don't mention it in the message.
    have I missed a previous announcement ?
    ie. have you already dittched support for this

    SB4 for Clarion is enough for my limited use

  6. #6

    Default Re: End-of-Life Notice for SetupBuilder 4

    Chriss,

    SetupBuilder 5 for Clarion (a major sub-set of SetupBuilder 5 Professional)
    will be available within the next few days.

    We'll post an End-of-Life Notice for SetupBuilder 4 for Clarion soon.

    Thanks,
    Friedrich

    --
    Friedrich Linder
    CEO, Lindersoft
    www.lindersoft.com
    1.954.252.3910

    "point. click. ship" - that's SetupBuilder 5

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    Default Re: End-of-Life Notice for SetupBuilder 4

    Carlos,

    I agree that a conversion utility to write 'the bones' would be a good idea.
    I have a client that upgraded from SB4 to SB5 and I had to rewrite their
    install for them - a real PITA. I was quite surprised there wasn't any
    conversion utility.

    After that effort, I've elected to stay with SB4 since I have a whole lot
    more installs than my client that would need to be rewritten and SB4 is
    doing everything I need. I'm sure SB5 is a "whole lot of wonderful" but ...

    Al

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    Default Re: End-of-Life Notice for SetupBuilder 4

    Al,

    Unfortunately, it's not possible to develop such a tool :-( There will not
    be a conversion utility for SB4.

    Friedrich

    --
    Friedrich Linder
    CEO, Lindersoft
    www.lindersoft.com
    1.954.252.3910

    "point. click. ship" - that's SetupBuilder 5

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    Default Re: End-of-Life Notice for SetupBuilder 4

    Carlos,

    If you put so much work into your SB4, then it's "wise" to rethink your
    distribution strategy in SB5 because it gives you so much more power and
    flexibility.

    For example, I think it took more than 2 days to develop the Clarion 5.5 and
    Clarion 6.0 installations. With SB5 we were done in 90 minutes. SB5
    supports include and exclude wildcards, tons of new functions, compiler
    directives (e.g. use one script to compile different installations), new
    security features, etc., etc.

    --
    Friedrich Linder
    CEO, Lindersoft
    www.lindersoft.com
    1.954.252.3910

    "point. click. ship" - that's SetupBuilder 5

  10. #10

    Default Re: End-of-Life Notice for SetupBuilder 4

    Hi Friedrich,

    While I can well understand the announcement of the demise of SB4, I have
    just one question.

    Having mutually discovered that the SB4 binary patch methodology is
    sometimes more efficient than that of SB5, is there now an option to select
    the patch method in SB5 Pro, as per earlier emails?

    Sim

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