C7 - Accessory Directory?

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The moment we can install where we want ...... from the installer ..... as
far as I am concerned : I do not want anything under an impossible path to
remember like c:\users\xxx\tttttt

For my machine all was and all will go to a special clarion partition

Like Russ said he did not want to use my installers, I will not install
templates who do not allow users to select the directory to install into

This is maybe one good reason : you all never needed to check that an clw
file or an inc file from a template you had was the good version ?
and to check this you never tried installing to any temp dir or partition
etc ?
well I do from time to time and if all goes always same place (unwanted
moreover) then ....

I know .....

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Thank you - Merci

Cordialement - Best Regards
Jean-Pierre GUTSATZ

DMC - Data Management Center - A tool to let you Migrate Import Export
Transfer all your Data very easily
www.dmc-fr.com
Certified by Microsoft : "Works with Vista" & "Works with Windows Server
2008"

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Hi Jean-Pierre,

> 1. I am a new born dev and as such am eager to learn and have no drawbacks
> or predefined preferences
> 2. I would like to distribute an app to all windows OS
> 3. My software is a tool which requires access to MACHINE ODBC drivers ( I
> upper machine because I have found out that since a year on Vista and
> upper Microsoft does not give access to ODBC drivers to non elevated users
> : the list is empty although drivers ARE installed)
>
> How do I do it please Sir ?
>
> 1 + 2 + 3 =
>
> <baby dev g>

First of all, your above "ODBC problem" should not be an excuse for NOT
using the recommended and correct folders when installing software ;-) Even
if you have developed a software product that needs administrator execution
level privileges, you should always follow the rules and install into the
correct folders.

Okay, so you have developed an ODBC based tool that needs elevation because
it does not "see" the ODBC drivers. But only Microsoft system tools or
installers should request administrator execution level privileges. All
other software products should NEVER EVER require elevation (including your
"DMC" product).

The only "limitation" with regard to ODBC is (as far as I know) that you can
create system data source names (DSNs) from within your application only if
logged on as an elevated administrator. By design, a "Standard User" cannot
create system DSNs under Vista.

I have developed and compiled a small quick-and-dirty ODBC test application
for you in VC++ to demonstrate ODBC running as "Standard User" under Vista.
See attached odbc_demo.zip. The application dbodbc.exe is "asInvoker"
manifested and code-signed. It connects to a dummy ADR.MDB Access Database
using the Microsoft Access ODBC Driver and it does NOT require administrator
execution level privileges! It runs "unelevated" (does not give you the
elevation prompt if you start dbodbc.exe). So my unelevated demo can "see"
the ODBC driver. And Microsoft gives me access to the ODBC driver through
my unelevated application. Is this correct, Sir? ;-)

I hope I have not completely misunderstood your ODBC problem.

Friedrich

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Hi Jean-Pierre,

And another test. I start the SetupBuilder IDE ("unelevated") and use the
"Install ODBC Driver..." function to get a list of all installed ODBC
drivers.

I see this (attached screenshot). So my unelevated SetupBuilder can see the
ODBC drivers.

What do you think?

Friedrich

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Lindersoft
www.lindersoft.com
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SetupBuilder "point. click. ship"
Create Windows Vista ready installations in minutes

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Friedrich,

I follow the rules except that I have to run elevated .....
I install under program files etc and data under common appdata
If the user wants to change it is his responsability

I think that the problem under Vista and 2008 is deeper but will have to
test again here : if I remember well all microsoft drivers are seen user
wise bit all others cannot

It may come from who installs what also but that I cannot control ....

DMC needs to see (and use) ALL ODBC drivers and to be able to write SYSTEM
DSN's

I am sure we will find a way between the two of us ....

Let me try your way to see again what can be wrong

Merci

JP

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Thank you - Merci

Cordialement - Best Regards
Jean-Pierre GUTSATZ

DMC - Data Management Center - A tool to let you Migrate Import Export
Transfer all your Data very easily
www.dmc-fr.com
Certified by Microsoft : "Works with Vista" & "Works with Windows Server
2008"

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Hi Jean-Pierre,

> I follow the rules except that I have to run elevated .....
> I install under program files etc and data under common appdata
> If the user wants to change it is his responsability

Aha, okay. That's great!

> I think that the problem under Vista and 2008 is deeper but will have to
> test again here : if I remember well all microsoft drivers are seen user
> wise bit all others cannot
>
> It may come from who installs what also but that I cannot control ....

Under Vista/2008/Win7, it's always an account with administrator execution
level privileges (or an Admin account under NT/2000/XP) that installed the
ODBC drivers.

> DMC needs to see (and use) ALL ODBC drivers and to be able to write SYSTEM
> DSN's

An unelevated application can see and use all ODBC drivers, but can't write
DSNs. So if you really have to write DSNs, then you only have two options:
change the existing permissions to "full control" for HKLM\SOFTWARE\ODBC to
allow Standard Users to write to the registry (DON'T DO THIS <g>) -or- run
the app elevated. The latter will fail under XP when running as Limited
User.

>
> I am sure we will find a way between the two of us ....
>



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Friedrich Linder
Lindersoft
www.lindersoft.com
+1.954.252.3910

SetupBuilder "point. click. ship"
Create Windows Vista ready installations in minutes

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I also posted a new one to let all be reassured : what I do on MY machine
has of course nothing to do with how I built the DMC installer who follows
all Windows rules

I'd be dumb not to do it and also would never had gotten the Microsoft
certification ....

So I have a pb under XP now it seems which could explain other things

Could I please ask you to download and test under a "normal" XP virtual if
you have one handy ? (I do not here and only have admin account ones so I
will need to add accounts to xp virtuals to test all

www.dmc-fr.com/programme/dmcsetup.exe

Million thanks again for all this extended help : voted for BEST EVER
support in the community ! <bg>

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Thank you - Merci

Cordialement - Best Regards
Jean-Pierre GUTSATZ

DMC - Data Management Center - A tool to let you Migrate Import Export
Transfer all your Data very easily
www.dmc-fr.com
Certified by Microsoft : "Works with Vista" & "Works with Windows Server
2008"

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Hi Jean-Pierre,

> I also posted a new one to let all be reassured : what I do on MY machine
> has of course nothing to do with how I built the DMC installer who follows
> all Windows rules
>
> I'd be dumb not to do it and also would never had gotten the Microsoft
> certification ....

Right And the same is true for SetupBuilder. Without Jean-Pierre,
Vista/2008 certification for SetupBuilder would not have been possible ;-)

--- BUT, and there is always a "but" in life <g> ---

You would not receive a "Certified for Vista or 2008" logo for "DMC" because
it is NOT a valid "Mixed User Application". Such an application has to work
without any problem under a "Admin" and "Limited/Standard User" account!

This is what I tried to explain in this (long) thread <g>. Not following
the rules causes problems. Why? See below:

> So I have a pb under XP now it seems which could explain other things
>
> Could I please ask you to download and test under a "normal" XP virtual if
> you have one handy ? (I do not here and only have admin account ones so I
> will need to add accounts to xp virtuals to test all
>
> www.dmc-fr.com/programme/dmcsetup.exe

I installed the above "DMC" install image and created a "Limited User"
account, named "JP"

In this Limited User account (its resource protection is similar to running
an app unelevated under Vista), I started "DMC" and got the following
message
two times:

---
No Translation Will Be Done
File Error() with
\cfg_import\langues\dmc.btl
Translation will be disabled

[OK]
---

After clicking [OK], I received:

---
FM3: Unable to Open UPG file: cause 3 Path Not Found FileError:
Name:\cfg_import\Upg.Tps\!Upg2

[Abort] [Ignore]
---

Then "DMC" stopped!

Okay, just for fun, the same procedure with SetupBuilder, a real "Mixed User
Application". I installed SetupBuilder, started the IDE under the Limited
User account and created and compiled a test installation project without
any problem in 10 seconds!

I hope this makes clear what I tried to explain in this thread. And why we
had to invest 18 months of research and development for the SetupBuilder
Vista compatibility capapility, why we went through all the Vista beta and
release candidates, and why I tell again and again that we have to follow
the rules ;-) And why we'll do the same for Windows 7.

> Million thanks again for all this extended help : voted for BEST EVER
> support in the community ! <bg>

Thank you

Friedrich

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Friedrich Linder
Lindersoft
www.lindersoft.com
+1.954.252.3910

SetupBuilder "point. click. ship"
Create Windows Vista ready installations in minutes

-- Official Comodo Code Signing and SSL Certificate Partner

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Merci

Which confirms under Vista it works and under XP with user account it does
not find the directories ....

Microsoft ubber ales !

This I am sure explains that ....

Will revert

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Thank you - Merci

Cordialement - Best Regards
Jean-Pierre GUTSATZ

DMC - Data Management Center - A tool to let you Migrate Import Export
Transfer all your Data very easily
www.dmc-fr.com
Certified by Microsoft : "Works with Vista" & "Works with Windows Server
2008"

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Hi Jean-Pierre,

> Merci

You are very welcome ;-)

> Which confirms under Vista it works and under XP with user account it does
> not find the directories ....
>
> Microsoft ubber ales !
>
> This I am sure explains that ....

Yes, it works under Vista because, if you run "DMC" as a Standard User,
"over-the-shoulder" elevation is your best friend ;-)

Under XP, your "DMC" application will never be able to run under a Limited
User account because "over-the-shoulder" elevation is an exclusive Windows
Vista/2008/Win7 feature.

--
Friedrich Linder
Lindersoft
www.lindersoft.com
+1.954.252.3910

SetupBuilder "point. click. ship"
Create Windows Vista ready installations in minutes

-- Official Comodo Code Signing and SSL Certificate Partner

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I wanted to add something important also :
what I do on MY machine has nothing to do with what I do in the DMC
installer which complies to all Windows latest standards as all users
already know

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Thank you - Merci

Cordialement - Best Regards
Jean-Pierre GUTSATZ

DMC - Data Management Center - A tool to let you Migrate Import Export
Transfer all your Data very easily
www.dmc-fr.com
Certified by Microsoft : "Works with Vista" & "Works with Windows Server
2008"